When Motherhood Changes You, But Not Your Partner with Dr. Morgan Cutlip (E33)
Have you ever felt that motherhood has completely transformed your life, while your partner's life seemed to remain unchanged? You're not alone. Many mothers find themselves engulfed in the demands of parenthood, often losing sight of their own identity. This week, we dive into an inspiring and relatable conversation with Dr. Morgan Cutlip. Dr. Cutlip isn’t just a relationship expert; she's a mom who has navigated this very challenge, reclaiming her sense of self while strengthening her relationships.
The Unexpected Identity Shift: Dr. Morgan’s Story
Motherhood is a transformative journey, one that often leaves us unprepared for the magnitude of change. Even with her extensive background in relationship psychology, Dr. Morgan Cutlip was taken aback by the seismic shift she experienced. She recalls a time when she felt like a mere body moving through the motions—meeting everyone’s needs but her own. It was through this personal experience, and her work including her book, "Love Your Kids Without Losing Yourself," that she began the hard work of rediscovering her own identity.
What Dr. Cutlip discovered was universal: the struggle of losing oneself in the overwhelming responsibilities of motherhood. Her story emphasizes the importance of acknowledging this identity shift and the resilience needed to navigate it.
Meet Dr. Morgan Cutlip: From Expert to Mom
Dr. Morgan Cutlip is an accomplished psychologist dedicated to helping others understand relationships and emotional well-being. Despite her extensive background in psychology, Dr. Cutlip found herself unprepared for the tidal wave of change that motherhood brings, requiring a reevaluation of everything she knew.
Today, Dr. Cutlip shares her insights through her books, courses, social media, and her co-founded platform, MyLoveThinks.com. She offers practical advice to help couples and individuals tackle relationship challenges with realistic and relatable solutions.
Letting Go of the Supermom Myth
For many of us, the myth of being the 'perfect mom' weaves itself into our subconscious. Dr. Cutlip talks candidly about measuring herself against the formidable template set by her own supermom—the quintessential ‘90s mom who excelled at everything. But as Dr. Cutlip learned, these expectations often set us up for feelings of inadequacy and guilt.
Recognizing this, Dr. Cutlip began redefining what being a ‘good mom’ meant to her, ultimately shaping a version of motherhood that fit her life and values. It’s a journey that involves letting go of unrealistic standards and embracing the mother you’re meant to be.
Navigating the Transition to More Children
Dr. Cutlip’s narrative doesn’t stop at one child. Despite anxiety stemming from her first postpartum experience, she and her husband welcomed a second child, learning to navigate new challenges together. Dr. Cutlip highlights the importance of open, honest conversations with partners as a way to manage expectations and ensure shared responsibilities.
The Reality of De-Selfing
A significant part of Dr. Cutlip's work explores "de-selfing," where individuals put their own needs on the backburner for the sake of others. While necessary at times, it’s essential for mothers to eventually reconnect with themselves to avoid long-term identity loss. Dr. Cutlip’s message is clear: it’s crucial to take turns prioritizing personal well-being, even amidst the chaos of parenthood.
Dr. Morgan Cutlip’s story is a testament to the resilience and strength required to reclaim one’s identity amidst the waves of motherhood. The balance between self-care and family responsibilities is not only achievable but essential for a fulfilling motherhood journey.
Join Us Next Time
In our next episode, Dr. Cutlip will delve into her approach to addressing the mental load of motherhood, offering strategies to create more balance and less resentment within relationships. Whether you’re listening alone or with your partner, this is an episode that promises valuable insights for all.
If you want to dive deeper into this topic, I highly recommend checking out Dr. Morgan's books, “Love Your Kids Without Losing Yourself” and "A Better Share." It's available in various formats, so you can find what works best for you. You can also find more of her insightful content on social media!
CONNECT WITH DR. MORGAN CUTLIP:
Website: DrMorganCutlip.com
Instagram: @DrMorganCutlip
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Love Your Kids Without Losing Yourself by Dr. Morgan Cutlip
A Better Share : How Couples Tackle the Mental Load (pre-order)
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Ep. 33 Refined
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Krissy: [00:00:00] Have you ever felt like motherhood completely changed your life while your partners stayed pretty much the same while you're running on empty, doing everything in the daily grind? Well, this week we're talking to Dr. Morgan Cutlip, who felt that way too, and she's sharing how she reclaimed her identity even when she was in the thick of it.
Welcome to Mom's Guide to Finding Herself where we share stories of side hustles and surviving while parenting young children. I'm your host, Chrissy Bold. Let's make motherhood less lonely and help you find joy in being you again.
Motherhood changes everything and no one prepares us for just how much of ourselves we're going to lose in the process. We're told to soak up every moment, but what about when we don't even feel like a person anymore? I remember the moment that hit me. It was like I was just a body moving through the day.
Meeting everyone's needs, managing the chaos, but I was completely losing myself in the process. It was like my basic wants and needs weren't being met, [00:01:00] but worse, it didn't even feel like that mattered. I was in full survival mode, running on autopilot, reacting instead of living. And somewhere along the way I.
It had disappeared. I didn't realize just how deep I had sunk until one day I caught a glimpse of my reflection, and I barely recognized myself. And I don't really mean physically, but more emotionally, right? I used to have passions, hobbies, things that made me feel like me. At that point, I was just getting through the day and then it was like almost magic.
I came across Dr. Morgan Cutlips book, love Your Kids Without Losing Yourself. At the time it was in pre-launch and I was desperate for something or anything that made me feel like human again. And come on, that title spoke directly to my soul. I joined her launch group and I read the book alongside her and other moms who felt the exact same way and piece by piece.
I started to rebuild myself. The discussions that we had, the [00:02:00] reflections that we made, they all forced me to confront the fact that I had been running on empty for way too long. That experience is one of the reasons why I do this podcast, because I know what it feels like to wonder if you'll ever come back to yourself.
And I know the power of hearing someone say, I've been here too, and Dr. Morgan. Has been here in today's conversation. She shares how she spent her entire life immersed in relationship psychology. She grew up with a father who was a psychologist, and then she went on to pursue advanced degrees in human development and counseling psychology.
She dedicated years to understanding relationships and emotional wellbeing, but yet when she became a mom. All of that knowledge and training did not prepare her for the total identity shift that hit like a tidal wave. She spent years studying relationships, but she wasn't prepared for the way motherhood would strip her [00:03:00] down and force her to redefine everything.
Today, Dr. Morgan is an author and a relationship expert with her down to earth style. She offers couples and individuals the tools that they need to tackle the trickiest relationship issues. She offers a fresh perspective. Some really powerful frameworks. She has a really special way of translating psychological theory and research into practical, accessible, and actionable advice, and she shares it so beautifully with her clients.
Her social media followers at Dr. Morgan Cutlipp, her books, her courses. Her podcast and her blog as co-founder of My Love thinks.com. Dr. Morgan earned her master's in human development and family science and her doctorate in counseling psychology, and her latest book, A Better Share, is going to be available nationwide on April 8th, 2025.
But what I love the most about Dr. Morgan's story is that she doesn't just stop at acknowledging the struggle. She gives [00:04:00] us tools on how to change it. She shares how she started to reclaim her own sense of self and how she and her husband worked to rebalance their relationship and how she helps other women do the same.
If you've ever felt buried under the weight of motherhood, and if you've ever wondered when it'll be your turn again, this episode is for you. I am here with Dr. Morgan, Cutlipp. Dr. Morgan has two kids, ages nine and 11, and she is a like, you know, a, a super mom in the way that I just completely admire everything that you've ever done, Dr.
Morgan, and I'm so grateful that you are here with me today.
Morgan : Well, thank you so much for having me. It's great to be here.
Krissy: Well, probably most of my listeners have at least checked out your Instagram page at this point, so they might have a little taste of the knowledge that you bring to us and the expertise and all of the hard work that you've done to help women understand how they can mother a little bit easier and feel a little bit more lighter in [00:05:00] their day to day.
But I wanna hear your journey today, like, because no mom has a magic card where we get through all of this unscathed. So tell me, who were you before you became a mom? Ooh.
Morgan : I've never been asked that. That's a great question. I, oh, before I became a mom, I feel like I was just a student. It feels like I've been a student my entire life.
Um, so I grew up in Ohio and a pretty rural town. I met my husband in high school. I. And I feel like I always have to say this because I'm in the field of relationships, so if I don't say this, I lose street cred. Sure. But we dated on and off, we, so we dated like three years in high school, on and off through college.
And then we went about five years without speaking. And this is gonna age me, but we reconnected on MySpace. Yeah. Uh, so that's, um, my relationship story. Been married 16 years. Um. So, yeah, grew up in [00:06:00] Ohio. Worked alongside sort of like, feels like my dad from, from forever. He went back to school to get his doctorate in psychology when I was in grade school.
And I used to go to classes with him sometimes. Oh, fun. And, yeah, it's wild. I actually had one of the professors that I sat in on when I was around six years old. Whoa. It's crazy. Yeah, it was her last, last year. And, um. We, we would play this game in the car where he would give me a hypothetical case and I would, he'd be like, how are you gonna help this family?
How are you gonna help this couple? What do you think this little boy needs? And it was just my favorite time with my dad. And, um. He started developing courses, he had got his doctorate in psychology, started developing courses for relationships way before everybody else was doing that. I mean, I know the Gottman's and there's these like perennial people.
But, um, around that time and I started traveling with him to conferences and, and, and eventually worked with him for around 15 years. So [00:07:00] it feels. I mean, I, I attended my PhD graduation. I had to delay it. Okay. Because I had our daughter Effie. Okay. Um, but I attended it when she was two months old. We flew from Florida to Ohio and, um, was like, so stressful.
Yeah. Yeah. But I, I remember like being at the airport, she's losing her mind and I was like, I'm not gonna go. Like I can't do this. And yeah, it was very intense. So to me, like before becoming a mother, I feel like. Oh my gosh, I've been student Yeah. My entire life, um, of, of this profession and relationships and so yeah.
Krissy: That's what it sounds like. Yeah. We talk a lot about teaching ourselves, our kids emotional intelligence and being able to talk about their emotions. But you had like the PhD level of this
Morgan : as a child. Yes. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's. I don't know. We, we definitely have a little bit of that family life where, like [00:08:00] we talked about a lot.
Yeah. We had family meetings. Um, we did, we did the things. We, I feel like my home, my dad, um, for being a PhD in psychology, and I don't, hopefully this, hopefully doesn't listen to this, but, um, he's more analytical. Sure. So feelings were part of it, but very much, um, more of like a cognitive guy. So we grew up analyzing a lot of things and so I enjoyed that.
I enjoy that though. So that was fun.
Krissy: I can see that there. There's like the research piece of it, like the let's geek out over all of this stuff versus Yeah. Yeah. There there's two pieces and both of them are very valuable, so I, I understand that. So you were then finishing your PhD and here you are with a newborn baby who's screaming in the airport.
So tell me about your transition to motherhood.
Morgan : My transition to motherhood was definitely not, uh, what I expected it to be. Uh, I was finishing up my internship. I was, we were living outside of DC at the time, so it was at George Mason [00:09:00] University finishing up, finishing up my internship, and we were building a home in Florida.
So I'm from Ohio. Living in Virginia, but moving to Florida. 'cause my parents moved there. We wanted to be close to family when we had kids. And um, so I moved to Florida when I was about nine months pregnant. Whoa. And I rapidly, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was wild. It was kind of radical and I switched care, so I ended up delivering with a, a midwife in Florida.
And so I was working with a, with a doctor in Virginia. So I like rapidly went to like, like rapid fire, like classes and prenatal stuff, right? And like caught up with all of that. And then I had a daughter, and, um, two months after she was born, my husband was, uh, basically told that he needed to take a job in Southern California.
Oh. And so our home, we had literally just moved in, wasn't even fully decorated or anything, [00:10:00] and we had to leave. And so. I decided at that time that I wanted to stay in Florida. I lived like three blocks from my parents because he was gonna be figuring out his his way. Yeah. And I didn't really wanna do beginning of motherhood and like temporary housing and all this stuff.
So, um, he left and we, um. Then from about Effie being, her name's Effie, two months to about eight months, somewhere in there. Uh, we just kind of like saw each other every so many weeks and, um, I didn't move to California until she was about 10 months old. So. My entry to motherhood was kind of, I mean, I'm not gonna say it was traumatic, but I was scared to have a second child because I felt so alone in that transition.
I was shocked at how unprepared I was despite my, you know, I have a master's in human development and family science, and I was like, that did nothing to prepare [00:11:00] me. I thought I knew what I was doing, and so I felt. Really shocked. Yeah. And overwhelmed. And buried by it all and lost and, uh, anxious. I'm not really an anxious person.
I felt very anxious in early motherhood and to do it alone. Um, for a lot of those months, I think set my husband and I up to have a very uneven distribution of involvement with our, with our daughter.
Krissy: Right. Because it's like you had the whole survival mode. By yourself. Yeah. You know, whereas that is typically this like bootcamp training program for both partners.
My God. And, uh, he didn't get that training, that in that basic training.
Morgan : No. No. And I like, I joke when I, um, when I speak about this stuff, I joke that our daughter Effie is kind of like a scary baby. Yeah. You know, like she's just had one of those temperaments, I mean, they're called spicy or deeply feeling now, you know, but she is scary to me.[00:12:00]
Yeah, and it was just like she just had opinions about everything right out of the gate. And you know, I feel like also part of it was, you know, he did not, you know, Chad, Chad, my is my husband's saying he did not really step in well and take that initiative when we were together. But also I kind of like.
Figure it out, how to manage our scary baby. Right. Because I was on my own. So when he would try to do it and it wasn't going well, I'd be like, get, you know, get outta here. Like, I know what I'm doing. I got all the tips and tricks. Right. So it was, it was a matter of me pushing him out. Mm-hmm. And him not.
Not stepping in enough.
Krissy: Sure. Which can happen anyway. Oh. I mean, I think it happens probably 90% of the time. Like it is probably an astronomically high statistic. Uh, you know, they call it maternal gatekeeping, but I think it's just like, just, it's just easier a lot of the time. It's, it's just easier to write.
Right. Exactly. But, but when somebody isn't there. To at least witness and have these [00:13:00] tools, just like even in the back of their brain. It's now you're at eight months and you're not, you're, you're coming out of the survival mode. And I've found talking to so many women now that it's like usually around that mark, like nine to 12 month mark mm-hmm.
That people are outta survival mode in, they're now like, who am I as a person? And now that's that time to have an identity crisis, but. Now you're in charge of a different person trying to help them. Yes. With you. So how was that?
Morgan : So when I had Chad with me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 'cause you're training him
Krissy: while figuring yourself out and Yeah.
Yeah.
Morgan : I don't feel like I actually came up for air until much later actually, because her tantrums started around 13 months. Yeah. And they went on for a while. So I felt like I was kind of getting a handle on the newborn phase. And then we went right into that phase and I was like, whoa. Um, I had this vision of how I would.
As a mom and I was, this was not, not what was happening in my reality. So, um, with him, I, you [00:14:00] know, I think the best way to describe it is, is like the roots of resentment grew quickly. I just was shocked. We have, we have a great relationship. We had a wonderful relationship before kids and this. This experience.
You know, what it really felt like for me was, uh, wow, my life's really changed and yours has pretty much stayed the same. Mm-hmm. That's, that's really, I think mm-hmm. The, if I had a story I was sort of telling myself about our relationship at the time, that really didn't help my attitude toward him. That would be it.
I mean, and there was truth to it, so it's not as if I was just fabricating this, but, um, it was shocking how quickly. These early years of having kids can really, really stir up quite a bit of resentment, feelings of unfairness, um, frustration in your relationship. I mean, plus you're just, you're just surviving off of less, less resources, right?
So you don't have as much to really [00:15:00] pull from in terms of like managing your, your conflict well and things like that. And I think that was really the most jarring. Try and think for me.
Krissy: Yeah,
Morgan : that is a
Krissy: lot. Now you touched on something too of your ideal, and you talk about this in your book as well. Um, I like to call it like a mom type.
We, we, yeah. We see in on Instagram, like whatever hashtag you might fall under. Mm-hmm. The Pinterest mom, whatever. And we have this version of who we think we'll be when we become that. And then oftentimes we become somebody that our old self wouldn't be proud of. And that mismatch is really hard. Did you experience that too?
Morgan : Absolutely. Um, yeah, I do unpack this quite a bit in my book. For me, something I had to, to recognize and to identify was that my mom, so my mom was adopted and she was adopted by a, um, couple who is like, pretty cold actually. It's kind of wild. Like, you want a kid, you adopt a kid, and then you're like, not that involved with your job.
So it's very strange. Right. So to be [00:16:00] abandoned that, yeah. That already gives, you know. It's already a lot of issues with that. Yeah. And then to be sort of neglected by your, your adoptive parents. My mom really went into motherhood at a very young age, by the way. She had me at, um, how old was she? 21. Okay.
Yeah, when she had me, um, married at 19. So very, very young. Um, she went into motherhood with sort of like, I, I describe it as her pain fueled her, her. Sort of like fire to change how she approached motherhood. And so I had a mom who was that sort of nineties, eighties, nineties Supermom. Yeah. And she was like, room mom.
She coached all of my sports. She ended up getting elected to the president of the Board of Education. Like she's just this woman, you know? Yeah. I mean, still to this day, she like makes soup anytime a neighbor's sick like she is on it. And motherhood, I. I was working still with my dad. I mean, I have [00:17:00] pictures of, you know, the week after I gave birth.
I'm like on my laptop working Yeah. With, you know, Effy next to me. And I remember just being like, why am I always falling? Yeah. Short. And I think something we don't realize a lot of times is we sort of take these early experiences in our, in our own ways of being mother and we sort of just. Use 'em as a template and slap 'em on our experience.
And those become expectations we've never even explored. Mm-hmm. About what it means to be a good mom because we all have a definition we've internalized about. A good mom does. And I was taking all the stuff my mom did and that was my measure. Yeah, and my life looked vastly different than hers. And so I had to come to terms with that and I had to make adjustments and how I measure what a good mom is and how to re sort of calibrate my standards.
And that took some time. Yeah. And was, it was painful though, before I recognized that and got that place.
Krissy: Yeah. You have to grieve the vision that you had [00:18:00] because that person that you thought you'd be doesn't exist. And. But you just know so much more that like that person didn't know you, they don't know, they didn't know all the things you're gonna be facing.
So it, it's tough. That mismatch is really hard. Now, you said that you had a lot of anxiety about transitioning to a second baby, but ultimately you did. Can you tell me how you got to that?
Morgan : I remember talking about it with Chad and I was like, I don't know if I can do this. And, um. You know, Effie was, like I said, she was spicy.
Yeah. She's like just the most incredible kid. Yep. Like, I love her, I love her spice. Um, but she, we were like, I don't think I can do it again. It's a, yeah. But then also, I don't think this can be an only child. Sure. We were like, we were just like in this. Tough spot. Um, but it's funny, I, so I was early with Effie and I was, you know, and I, I do believe our mental and emotional state plays into our pregnancy.
I mean, that's not my expertise, but it just feels like that makes sense. Mm-hmm. How [00:19:00] things show up in our bodies. But I was late with our son Roy. Mm-hmm. And, um. My, I had a, I had a midwife, um, and not for everybody, but that's what I wanted, and I had a midwife, and I remember she was like, you need to, you know, your, your body is holding on.
And I had a complication with my first birth and she thought that's what I was afraid of, and it wasn't what I was afraid. Afraid of was having a postpartum experience with my husband that was similar to my first one. And so, um, I remember I had a, had to have a talk with Chad where I was just like, I'm so worried you're not gonna be there.
You're not gonna do enough. We're gonna have to have a major life change again. Like, I just can't, that was not the experience I wanted in early motherhood. It was really, really hard and overwhelming and, um, it wasn't until after, you know, it was like pretty quickly after that conversation that. He was born, so, yeah.
Yeah. It's a hard transition. Amazing what your body
Krissy: can do and what you hold onto. Oh yeah. You're like, this is so much easier if you're right here. [00:20:00]
Morgan : Yes. There so much. So much comes out. I mean, our bodies speak to us so loudly, so, so much comes out definitely in the physical form.
Krissy: Yeah, definitely. Now you talk in your book, um, you use the phrase de selfing.
A lot. And, um, I'd love to hear your experience with that where we, where we kind of depersonalize who we are as individuals mm-hmm. Because our basic needs and wants aren't getting met anyway. So why am I even a person I'd, I'd love to hear that.
Morgan : Yeah. Yes, yes. That's what de selfing is. It's essentially backburning yourself in in order to care for everybody else.
And it's, it's wild. Like it, it's just sort of part of being a woman in many ways in our society, because we are socialized really to a self-sacrifice for the preservation of everyone else. And I mean. It's a really dicey thing in motherhood because we have to sort of de self in the beginning, right? I, you know, [00:21:00] in order to get up in the middle of the night and to feed your baby however you do it, like all the things require us to really put ourselves mm-hmm.
On the back burner. And I think where it became, um, problematic for me, and I think many moms and women out there, is that sometimes we sort of just get locked into that mode, right? So we become so disassociated from ourselves and we become so used to being on the back burner so de self that we. Lose touch with who we are.
So it's like, yeah, you do it in the infant stage, maybe in the toddler stage a bit, but then you can kind of like come back to life. But if we never do that, if we never shuffle back to sort of like taking turns, we don't, I don't, I don't think we have to be first. Mm. In terms of needs. Sure. But we have to take turns between the
Krissy: top 10 at least.
Right.
Morgan : We gotta get it. We gotta get a turn. We need to be in the rotation. Yes. And so, um, but a lot of us just. Click in to being on in the back and, and we will, we will go 10 years, 12 years, 18 years. That's why a lot of, I [00:22:00] think women, their kids leave and they're like, they might, they might even resent their children for leaving them.
Yeah. 'cause it's like so much of who they're is wrapped into it, into become being a mom and putting everyone else first. So for me it was, uh, probably when the kids were maybe like five and seven or so, somewhere around there where I was just like. This is enough. Yeah, that's a long
Krissy: time.
Morgan : Yeah. Yeah. I, I got stamina.
Yeah. I got a lot of stamina. I can tell why I, I lived in it. Yeah. Um, for a while. But yeah, that's when it started really hitting me. And I, like, I remember it, it created tension in our relationship. Yeah. When I started to shift, um, maybe a little, they were maybe a little bit younger, but I remember my husband being like, you're different.
And I was like, Nope. Nope. Right. I am the same. Right. I am just not like, I'm just not making everything so small anymore. So we both had to make [00:23:00] some changes. Yeah. In order to sort of me come back into connection with myself. Yeah. And it serves our relationship so much better though, that I have.
Krissy: That's, that's powerful to hear that it took so long because I think so many moms put pressure on themselves to bounce back, um, really quickly.
And I hate that phrase because that like, or even get back to who you were, because you aren't that person anymore. You might not even like those things anymore. So to think about bouncing back isn't there, but. It's a project truly to like keep coming into who you are in this new phase of life. Yes. And what you like.
So to hear for that, for somebody who's an expert, that it took several years to feel Yes. More cold, more like a complete person again, is, is validating. Like, there's nothing wrong with me for a, having a 4-year-old feeling like, ugh, I, I still don't know who I am.
Morgan : No. And I think that's normal. I mean, mother, you know, I.
I think [00:24:00] I say this in the book, but motherhood is supposed to be expansive. Mm-hmm. Like we're, there are going to be things that are triggered in us that require us to examine, you know, who we are, how we show up. Some of the stuff we've been probably avoiding dealing with. And because of this, it's, it's, it's kind of like this beautiful part of being a parent.
It's also the very hard part of being a parent, but this challenges us to become someone better. Yeah. So we can say someone new, but somebody better than we would've been on our own. And that's gonna take multiple iterations and evolutions. And that takes time. And I think, you know, if we're. You know, if we're paying attention and we're, we're willing to do some of the work, we're gonna keep evolving throughout these years that we're parents, um, and becoming better versions of ourselves.
Krissy: I couldn't agree more. Well, I wanna hear everything about your whole parenting journey, but I mean, us moms, we can only listen to so much at a time. So we'll have you back for the next episode where we can hear about how this new version [00:25:00] of Morgan came out and said, no more We. So we're sharing the load more, so I can't wait to hear your thoughts on the mental load in the next episode.
Thank
Morgan : you for having me.
Krissy: Do you feel like you're carrying the weight of your family on your shoulders and you're ready to create more fairness and less resentment in your relationship? You'll wanna tune into the next episode where Dr. Morgan comes back to share about her book A Better Share and how to address the mental Load with your Partner while Bringing Back the fun.
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